Posts by Nathan Natas

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Quality of JW teaching from elders

by sir82 in

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there was a recent thread on the "quality" of converts to jws in recent years.

it wasn't a pretty picture, based on the thread contents.. well, the lack of depth isn't restricted to new converts.. in our clam this week, one of the principal points for review was this:.

ne 1:1; 2:1—why can we conclude that “the 20thyear” mentioned at nehemiah 1:1 and 2:1 is countedfrom the same starting point?

Witness Punk and Metal Band Names

by Luther bertrand in

here is what i would name my band(s) let see if you can list some funny ones as well.

here is my list:.

local needs.

Nathan Natas

To borrow from HBH,

Shame & the Nocturnal Emissions

The Tribes of Onan

The Dry Humpers

Twisted Sister: Elder's Wife

Franz & The Brown Slackers

Freddie & His Delusions

Bible-Based Bullshit

Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah!

Let Me Yah-way You Up

Brother Mature & The Back-Calls

Millions Now Living May Never

Greenlees & The Nut Sacks

Manna For Breakfast

Accidental Israel

Can't Rape The Willing (overheard at the Greenpoint Assembly Hall around 1970, spoken by a very horny teenaged sister)

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Preaching? For what purpose? All JW's need to ask this question.

by park ave boy in

what is the purpose of preaching if not for converts?.

basically, preaching by the jw's is to make converts.

this in itself implies that jehovah's witnesses believe that they alone have the only acceptable way to god and that everyone else is just not worthy.

Nathan Natas

Originally C. T. Russell felt his job was NOT to gain converts, but to gather the "Bride of Christ" out of the churches of Christendom.

I think it soon became apparent that with only 144,000 potential members this was a flawed business model that would not generate the cash-flow that CTR needed to support himself and the boys in his club, but it was Judge Rutherford who really got the Borg's business model going and the two-headed Knorr-Franz beast to fully optimize it.

Right now the Borg is in the process of decay as apostate mycelium works it's way through the memes.

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I gave the elders some ammo to use

by atacrossroads in

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i was having dinner at olive garden with my cousin who was disfellowshipped for apostacy.

a holier than thou pioneer couple saw us.

if that was not enough i saw her take a picture of me with my cousin.

Nathan Natas

Get together with your cousin and pose for a picture with the two of you flippin' the bird. Send it to the pharisee who took your picture.

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Has a 'Christian' ever murdered somebody?

by goddidit in

a jw made the claim "no christian [jw] has ever murdered anyone".. when i showed examples of such, the goalposts moved a bit with "was he a baptized, dedicated witness?".

can anyone provide examples of murders committed by "baptized, dedicated" jws?.

thanks.

Nathan Natas

Christian (no pun intended) Longo murdered his wife and two kids.

see: http://www.biography.com/people/christian-longo

Jeff Anderson murdered Kim Anderson and her two children.

see: http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/religion/jw/jwmurders.shtml

Robert Bryant murdered his wife and children and then killed himself.

see: http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bryant-robert.htm

Jonathan Holt murdered Whitney Heichel.

Sheddrick Miller murdered Kia Miller and their two young children, then killed himself.

Ron Reynolds murdered Ronda Reynolds.

William Redman, a Jehovah's Witness, believed his daughter, Gloria, would be resurrected three days after he repeatedly plunged a knife into her neck at the family's trailer at Road Runner RV Park.

Drew Thompson murdered Rita Bartschot.

Curtis Thompson murdered Deborah Byars.

Larry Slack Sr. murdered his daughter Laree A. Slack.

yeah, hardly any.

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The pyramids and rutherford.......

by atomant in

lve been researching the early days of the jw"s and found some very damning information which needs to be discussed at length.according to my research it is claimed that early founders used the pyramids to work out important biblical dates that are now dates set in stone according to the beliefs of the sect and can not be changed as it would rock the very foundation upon which their beliefs are built.l was hoping for somone with a precise understanding to please elaborate whether this is true or not.

Nathan Natas

Available from LULU.com in ebook or hardcopy.

see: http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/oldlightreprints

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What is more important life or justice?

by Fisherman in

the outrage of injustice cries out for justice, vengeance, vindictiveness, retaliation, getting even -at any cost -even life.

Nathan Natas

Nature, red of tooth and claw, would answer "life."

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Do U Detest JWs.

by minimus in

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Nathan Natas

minimus challenged, "JWs are not terrible people. They are simply effed up. I don't get mad at them. I sympathize with them....how about u???"

For the most part I agree with you Min, ...but there is something pathological about people who protect pedophiles and shun the victims of pedophiles; people who gather in a hospital to urge their "friends" to refuse medical treatment for themselves and their children.

Their continual reliance on Jehovah has caused their spines to atrophy. They may SEEM nice, but they are a bunch of nice androids. They extend no empathy to the non-JW world that they judge worthy of destruction. They are like a cross between non-violent Quakers and fanatic Muslim terrorists - they won't kill you, but they will be GLAD when you are DEAD.

So I don't agree with you at all, Min. No offense...

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Daughter FINALLY escaped!

by MindBlown666 in

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wow....has it been a while!

i hope many of you are doing good!

it's awesome to see many of you holding strong, and keeping the site going!.

Nathan Natas

THIS is the best kind of post!

Congratulations, and MAY HER TRIBE (of XJWs) INCREASE!

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Quality of newer membership

by Lostandfound in

on a previous post mamacita29 pointed up the low quality of new jw converts.. is the quality falling even more as the society use lower than low meeting, talks, broadcasts etc.. when i was active initially the organisation and standards seemed totally different today.

i have seen hard working intelligent elders fall by death or exhaustion.

the younger generation that came along never really grasped responsibility hence shortage of good elders, never mind the watered down to almost nothing quality of meetings.

Nathan Natas

It was almost 60 years ago that my mom accepted her free home brainwashing sessions. I have to agree with my fellow travelers here of my "generation" that today's JWs seem especially dumb and weak, "un-qualified to be ministers," we might say.

This is the fault of the WTB&TS itself. They built their Watchtower on the sand of false prophecy, fabricating "bible-based" chronology as it suited them, patterning a "New World Society" on the laws of ancient Israel, gleefully ignoring the concept that Jesus came to FULFILL and DO AWAY WITH Mosaic law, drawing goofy conclusions about how THEY fulfilled almost EVERY prophecy ever recorded in the Bible, playing "fill-in-the-blanks" games with their membership, then blaming that membership when the blanks were filled with the conclusions, anticipations, speculations, and expectations that were provided by the WTB&TS in the pages that THEY WROTE. This has been topped off by an "Armageddon is very close but probably won't come in your lifetime" sense of non-urgency. So the time for boring public talks has been reduced, the time for boring meetings has been reduced and the time requirement for boring door-to-door work in the face of an unconcerned public has been reduced. Soon a pioneer will be putting in ten exhausting hours a month.

Back in my day (the old man complained) we may have been WRONG, but we BELIEVED our message and we believed that ours was a life-saving work that was required if we were to save OUR OWN lives. Today, not so much, it seems.